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Title: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 07, 2023, 07:26 PM
My 2 1/4 engine arrived but I think I will keep it dry stored just now as I just don't know what to do, do I swap  it for my diesel while I am at this stage 🤷�♂️
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 07, 2023, 07:33 PM
This is the 2 1/4 petrol just arrived
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Craig T on Sep 08, 2023, 10:03 AM
Well wrapped up.
Personally I'd go for it, never been a fan of Diesels myself.

Looks like a later 2286 engine with a filler spout with a radiator style cap on the top.
Craig.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: GlenAnderson on Sep 08, 2023, 10:25 AM
I would certainly consider doing the swap while the wings are off, as access will never be better and it gives you a bit of a head start on identifying whichever minor items you're still missing.

The only thing you need to be aware of while doing it that way is to try to orient hose clips and suchlike so that they can still be accessed down the line when the inevitable repairs are needed. Nothing worse than finding something that was easy to fit with "assembly X" off the vehicle, impossible to remove with it on, but if you'd only put the clip 90 degrees round the other way it would be easy...

...It would also allow you to sell the diesel on and free up the space that the extra engine is occupying.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: NoBeardNoTopKnot on Sep 08, 2023, 12:16 PM
Agreed. And I might have the wind direction wrong, yet somehow I doubt this. It's not worth much now, yet the longer you hold on, the more boat-anchor your diesel becomes.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Gareth on Sep 08, 2023, 12:21 PM
I swapped the diesel for a petrol on the 88". Before I did the swap, and with the front end in bits so it was all visible, I got the diesel engine running and filmed it. Once the swap was complete I sold the diesel for what I paid for petrol engine, the video of it running helped a lot.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: 2286 on Sep 08, 2023, 01:26 PM
BigDog

Re engine transport, what carrier delivered it and what distance has it travelled and at what cost if you dont mind me asking?

Did seller wrap and palletise prior to collection by the carrier.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 08, 2023, 07:29 PM
It was through pallet force I think, I would need to double check, seller wrapped it up and it came from Halifax to my door in Argyll for £220
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 08, 2023, 07:33 PM
My only concern changing to petrol is that I already have a new wiring loom to suit the diesel which I do believe can still be used but with some alterations, also do I need to change fuel tanks , I have one under each seat, exhaust I don't mind as I need a new one anyway, do you think it would be relatively straightforward
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: diffwhine on Sep 08, 2023, 07:40 PM
About as simple as you can get. You can use the same fuel tanks. You will need to do a bit of playing with ignition switches to give you an ignition feed for the coil, but it's a bolt for bolt swap. You will also need some parts of the accelerator linkage, but this really is pretty straightforward.

If it has twin tanks, was it originally a military vehicle? If so, it will have been petrol originally and should be even simpler!
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: diffwhine on Sep 08, 2023, 07:42 PM
One thing to note is that the diesel fuel lift pump operates at a higher pressure to the petrol one - they are not supposed to be interchangeable although I hear of LR dealers superseding the petrol part number to the diesel one.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 08, 2023, 07:49 PM
Yeah it's an ex military one and I believe started life as a petrol
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 08, 2023, 07:53 PM
Also I am installing a whole new wiring loom so hopefully be able to modify it to suit the petrol engine
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Alan Drover on Sep 08, 2023, 08:21 PM
Quote from: diffwhine on Sep 08, 2023, 07:42 PMOne thing to note is that the diesel fuel lift pump operates at a higher pressure to the petrol one - they are not supposed to be interchangeable although I hear of LR dealers superseding the petrol part number to the diesel one.
Correct. I've had a Tdi lift pump on my petrol Series 3 for a while. I bought it from a main dealer at Old Sarum near Salisbury. It came with  additional rubber fuel lines to attach to the existing input and output lines.
I was told it superseded the glass bowl pump.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 08, 2023, 08:35 PM
This is the engine before it was wrapped
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: NoBeardNoTopKnot on Sep 08, 2023, 09:38 PM
Quote from: Gareth on Sep 08, 2023, 12:21 PMI swapped the diesel for a petrol on the 88". Before I did the swap, and with the front end in bits so it was all visible, I got the diesel engine running and filmed it. Once the swap was complete I sold the diesel for what I paid for petrol engine, the video of it running helped a lot.

Very wise. With a glut of Diesels, which are you going to buy? The one you've proof as a runner or...
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: diffwhine on Sep 09, 2023, 11:02 AM
Quote from: Alan Drover on Sep 08, 2023, 08:21 PM
Quote from: diffwhine on Sep 08, 2023, 07:42 PMOne thing to note is that the diesel fuel lift pump operates at a higher pressure to the petrol one - they are not supposed to be interchangeable although I hear of LR dealers superseding the petrol part number to the diesel one.
Correct. I've had a Tdi lift pump on my petrol Series 3 for a while. I bought it from a main dealer at Old Sarum near Salisbury. It came with  additional rubber fuel lines to attach to the existing input and output lines.
I was told it superseded the glass bowl pump.

This is the odd bit about LR superseding the petrol lift pump to the diesel variant. I note that none of the independants do so. a) you lose the glass sedimenter bowl and b) it operates at nearly double the pressure. Their own service training manual suggests they are not interchangeable, but maybe the float chamber valves are man enough to handle the pressure. Evidently so if it works so well with Alan Drover's Zenith.

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Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: diffwhine on Sep 09, 2023, 11:03 AM
Unless maybe the Tdi lift pump operates at a lower pressure than the earlier diesel pumps?  :flasher
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Bigdog on Sep 09, 2023, 04:26 PM
Sounds very confusing, do,I need to change this if I install the petrol engine
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: Exile on Sep 09, 2023, 11:28 PM
I like the diagramme DW.

I always wondered why those lift pumps had a pronounced dome at the top.
Title: Re: Engine arrived
Post by: diffwhine on Sep 09, 2023, 11:37 PM
Quote from: Bigdog on Sep 09, 2023, 04:26 PMSounds very confusing, do,I need to change this if I install the petrol engine

The correct one should already be on your engine.

The diagram came from a Land Rover 4 Cylinder Engines Training Manual which I'm trying to scan for the Club archive. It belongs to Alan Drover.