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Title: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 09:49 AM
Hi

Is there a number or letter missing from the end or is it just 36107226 - thanks
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Richard on Apr 05, 2024, 10:13 AM
According to Glencoyne (https://www.glencoyne.co.uk/engno.htm) and lrfaq (https://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.EngineDrivetrainDataTransfer.html) in their Production by year section 361... is a 2.25 petrol 5-bearing Series 3 engine from 1982-5. But lrfaq put a suffix C at the end, but whatever it is at the end, I can't for the life of me see a C in it...
Richard
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 11:33 AM
Thanks Richard - I can't see a C either. Plus its in a series 2 chassis and looks like its always been there - got loads of old bits around it
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Craig T on Apr 05, 2024, 11:39 AM
That doesn't appear to have all the cross bracing / webbing cast into the side of the block that the 5 bearing engines have.

Maybe it's a Rover 60 / 80 / P4 car engine.

Craig.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Richard on Apr 05, 2024, 12:31 PM
In the Land Rover Register 1948-53 (https://www.lrsoc.com/forum/forum_files/Land%20Rover%20REGISTER%20extract.pdf) (opens a pdf) there is a 1953 Series 1 with engine number 36107226 and registration number CH1669 with comment MB02/96. No idea what that means and you have to be a member of the Series 1 Club to enter the forum...
Richard
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 12:38 PM
Thanks Richard will take some photos later today the engine looks old
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Craig T on Apr 05, 2024, 12:46 PM
Land Rover did have a funny chassis and engine numbering sequence to start with.
The first number means the model year so yes, 1953 would begin with a 3 and the following numbers denoted the model, 61 is a basic 80" model. My series one has a chassis number starting 5710 so 1955 model year and 710 means home market, basic, RHD, 86".

This isn't a series one 1600cc or 2000cc engine though, it's a later 2286cc engine so my money is still on the Rover car engine.

Craig.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: autorover1 on Apr 05, 2024, 01:25 PM
Rover P4 2.25 engines start with 645000001, 645100001 or 74500001A . Source Rover  Parts catalogue 4505
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 02:09 PM
Hi all thanks for the input
Got some photos - hope they help

Peter
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: diffwhine on Apr 05, 2024, 02:14 PM
I reckon that engine is a lot newer than you think it is.
Can you get me a casting number off the cylinder head? It should be somewhere behind the carbatooter. The lifting eyes are similar to some of the military engines I've got and something tells me that you may be onto something there.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Craig T on Apr 05, 2024, 02:21 PM
Well, I couldn't see the webbing on the block earlier but it is there now so yes, 5 bearing series 3 engine my money is now on....

Craig.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 03:06 PM
Hi

Photo of engine casting no attached

ERG589901 ?

Also the exhaust manifold looks different to me - but Im no expert at all :-)
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 03:42 PM
oops was that last photo the head casting no?

Think the block has "ISSUE 0" and "23C1" on it - but the heat shield makes it difficult to see
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Alan Drover on Apr 05, 2024, 04:00 PM
The rocker cover is from a 5mb 2.3 engine (but it could have been retrofitted).
5mb engines have a terracotta block and a black cylinder head.
Engine numbers for the 5mb began with 361 for the 8:1 petrol, then a 5 figure serial number and a suffix letter.
I reckon you've got a 5mb engine there.
(From James Taylor's book on Series 3 Land Rovers)
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: carrownisky on Apr 05, 2024, 04:20 PM
Thanks Alan - that seems to fit
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: diffwhine on Apr 05, 2024, 04:22 PM
Told you it was newer than it looks!
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Exile on Apr 05, 2024, 05:34 PM
Quote from: Alan Drover on Apr 05, 2024, 04:00 PMEngine numbers for the 5mb began with 361 for the 8:1 petrol, then a 5 figure serial number and a suffix letter.



I find it rather strange that the Factory should put identifier numbers on 5mb engines, which are exactly the same as on 1953 2 litre petrol engines - apart from a suffix letter.

Could they not think of another number sequence - or did they think that the differences between the engines were so obvious that no-one would notice or care?  ??? 
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: autorover1 on Apr 05, 2024, 08:18 PM
I wonder if its a replacement block and the old number stamped on it without the suffix. It looks a little irregular.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: TimV on Apr 06, 2024, 01:14 PM
Quote from: Exile on Apr 05, 2024, 05:34 PM
Quote from: Alan Drover on Apr 05, 2024, 04:00 PMEngine numbers for the 5mb began with 361 for the 8:1 petrol, then a 5 figure serial number and a suffix letter.



I find it rather strange that the Factory should put identifier numbers on 5mb engines, which are exactly the same as on 1953 2 litre petrol engines - apart from a suffix letter.

Could they not think of another number sequence - or did they think that the differences between the engines were so obvious that no-one would notice or care?  ??? 
By 1980, 1953 was 17 years previously. Same time away from today as 2007. Quite rare for cars in those days to last that long. 
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Old Hywel on Apr 06, 2024, 01:23 PM
Did you struggle with maths in school, Tim?
 :teacher
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: TimV on Apr 06, 2024, 01:32 PM
I thought it didn't look long enough - 27 years - 1997!
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Old Hywel on Apr 06, 2024, 01:39 PM
As a 53 model myself, something didn't look right.
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: TimV on Apr 06, 2024, 01:44 PM
My first car was a 1954 Minor - that was scrapped at 21 years old!
Title: Re: Engine identification help please
Post by: Len on Apr 08, 2024, 06:41 PM
Landrover len210
Have realy close look again after the last didgit.
Am I imagining a letter very faint as an A possibly ?