Quote from: Clifford Pope on Dec 16, 2023, 05:32 PMBetween those extremes there is a whole spectrum of values and circumstances. I don't think one can generalise about whether a device is worth fitting or not.

Some people don't like generalisations. Make a generalisation, eg men are taller than women, and some people will dive in with

"You think all women are short, and that's not true".

It's a verbal-trick which if flushed past us becomes very effective.

Can you find a tall woman and a short man? Yes, but that doesn't change the fact. Thus when you hear someone say an accurate generalisation doesn't apply to them, listen hard. It usually reveals far more than those that say it intend.

Which is preferable? The "inconvenience" of removing anti theft devices or the theft of your Land Rover? I know which I prefer.

Ah, I see. Before a decision or taking a position, we might be better to think about the think. Then think about how we got to the think.

An effective solution that I have seen in the field is a ring or single chain link welded to the gearstick. A corresponding attachment under the dash allows the vehicle to be kept in gear by another chain and padlock.  A longer chain can be used to also keep the clutch pedal from moving.

Regards

J

Quote from: Ed Straker on Dec 19, 2023, 07:42 AM... a ring or single chain link welded to the gearstick...

That sounds on point, more real-world effective than my clutch claw. I have a handbrake-lock, I can apply and then remove in no more than 10-12 secs all-in. Thus it's the go-to first layer used whilst filling-up etc. Done right, your solution would be as quick or quicker, with no more to store.

eg: think about thinking. How and when in real-world you'll use 'whatever', this over inconvenience, and the balance of risk-probability. I use four layers, never less than two at any one time, however... not all four layers, ALL the time.

I need to get a "round tuit" to complete but.. I've recently cut out a couple of lumps of 3"x 3" 6mm thick angle that I intend to make a pedal lock out of, it'll go over and under the pedals with a slot thru one and a 1/2 inch plate tab to receive a hockey Puck style padlock.
I doubt it'll be very easy to "bully off" 😁

I knew I had one but had to rummage around to find it, bought a few years ago for the Wolf I had then and never used it,  an x deterred pedal lock. I'm not in a position to check, not being that far along with the rebuild but did they work and would one fit a S2 ?
While on the subject of the Wolf ( out of the ordinary range for here I know) but a lesson I learned that applies across the board.
I bought it from Witham it had been supplied to the 16th air assault brigade and held in readiness at Colchester for a call which never came eventually being, I believe, timed out of its life with the MOD. It was virtually new ( 19k miles) and I drove it straight to a Land Rover specialist near leamington for a cam belt change. A week later while paying for the change I asked what the old belt was like and was told it had been fine and in any case if one broke nothing happened other than the engine stopping.
Two months later bimbling down the M5 at just over 50 there was a brief harsh mechanical growl and a dead engine.
On dealing with the wreckage we found the bolts holding the inspection cover for the belt had been removed and replaced, nothing else had.
Here are photos of the car and what remained of the ' 8 week old belt'
Moral, don't trust people, check !

Can't read my own writing, it's the x defend pedal lock, doh !

Ken,
Out of interest, what model your is your XD Defender and is it a standard GS Model or one with all the winterised and wading kit on it? If have some history with them and the 300Tdi cam belt issues. I take it that this is all now sorted, but I am surprised that a "Land Rover Specialist" should advise you that the 300Tdi is a "safe engine". If the belt fails, it can do horrendous damage as it appears you have already found out!

The reason for asking is that there were a series of different repairs for this belt issue depnding on age and spec of the engine. If you already know all this, apologies for mentioning it, but I am aware of several repairs done by "Specialists" which have not done the full repair necessitating it being done again. The issue revolves round alignment of the belt due to incorrect pump positioning.

I think the x defender will be the standard version, I wasn't aware there was a second one available for wading. Considering the Wolf was set up with a snorkel the wading version would have been a more sensible choice.
I was new to Land Rovers with the Wolf and accepted the comments made regarding the 300 tdi as a non interference engine as they were the professionals. I'm absolutely certain they made no modifications to the belt system, firstly because the fixings needing to be undone to get in at the belt were stubborn and had, obviously, not been touched for a very long time and the belt cover gasket was old a dirty around its edge. But also what came out of the belt housing was dry rubber dust and wire from a very old and perished belt.
These days I question everything and am inclined towards undertaking everything myself. A pain at times but it gets a good job done and keeps me safe. My house has twice been filled with carbon monoxide by a hetas engineer, wood burner and aga so I don't trust them either except ( reluctantly) for gas which we don't have as it goes bang !

Thanks for that. Very much as I expected. The primary issue with the belt was it running forward and chafing on the front timing cover. A revised kit was introduced to keep the belt straight and to stop this, but the biggest cause was misalignment of the fuel injector pump due to incorrect installation and a sintered belt gear set which was prone to flex. Never had any of that on the 200Tdi!