FBHVC survey

[Ken]

Firstly, thanks to the club for sending through e mails about the survey.
Unfortunately trying to connect to the survey brings just a blank white page for me.
I assume it's because my I pad is 8 years old and systems have moved beyond its ability to update, but I'm unable to take part.

[TimV]

I have looked at it and frankly, I'm a bit concerned.

Plenty of talk of new/replica bodies on original chassis.

However, no mention of original bodies on new/replica chassis - which affects the replacement new chassis that we use.

Am I reading it correctly?

[Wittsend]

A vehicle's body has never counted for anything in the DVLA points system - unless you are talking about a monocot body shell, which a Land Rover hasn't.

You could make a Land Rover body out of tea chests (and people have) and nobody (sic) would bat an eye lid.

[Kevlar]

I've just read this and agree with Tim's concerns. Specifically:

Q11 refers to the definition of a restored vehicle and includes the sentence "For vehicles with a separate body and chassis, restoration may require the production of a completely new body". There is NO mention of the potential need for a completely new chassis

Q13 refers to the point at which a chassis or bodyshell modification affects the identity of a vehicle and includes the sentence "Removal, addition or alteration of major components such as side members or major cross-members ... should be considered as a new identity". I'm aware that some people opt for coil springs when they replace their chassis, so does this mean that their vehicle should lose its current identity?

Q19 refers to the elements to be considered for assessing a radically altered vehicle. The FBHVC's suggestion is that, as well as modifications to the chassis, "other major mechanical changes (eg engine or type of suspension) should also be considered". So as well as the coil spring point mentioned above, where does that leave owners with V8, 300tdi, 2.5l engine conversions?

I may be reading too much in to this, but my concern is that this could result in a lot of future issues. Personally, I also think that a coordinated response from the club, rather than individual members, would be more appropriate and carry more weight (although I realise that this is likely to involve a lot of work for those in charge)

[Adam1958]

Im curious, what's so wrong with the current system?

I realise EV conversions add a new layer of complexity, but surely it can just be treated as an engine?

[Alan Drover]

I agree with Adam. Let's leave it the FBHVC, after all we've got to put our trust in some organisation. Anyway, any amendments, were they to occur can't be retrospective, the cock up over black and silver number plates is an example. If any amendments were to occur they will be applicable from a certain date.
I think too much can be read into this.

[GlenAnderson]

I've just read this and agree with Tim's concerns. Specifically:

Q11 refers to the definition of a restored vehicle and includes the sentence "For vehicles with a separate body and chassis, restoration may require the production of a completely new body". There is NO mention of the potential need for a completely new chassis

Q13 refers to the point at which a chassis or bodyshell modification affects the identity of a vehicle and includes the sentence "Removal, addition or alteration of major components such as side members or major cross-members ... should be considered as a new identity". I'm aware that some people opt for coil springs when they replace their chassis, so does this mean that their vehicle should lose its current identity?

Q19 refers to the elements to be considered for assessing a radically altered vehicle. The FBHVC's suggestion is that, as well as modifications to the chassis, "other major mechanical changes (eg engine or type of suspension) should also be considered". So as well as the coil spring point mentioned above, where does that leave owners with V8, 300tdi, 2.5l engine conversions?

I may be reading too much in to this, but my concern is that this could result in a lot of future issues. Personally, I also think that a coordinated response from the club, rather than individual members, would be more appropriate and carry more weight (although I realise that this is likely to involve a lot of work for those in charge)

Changes to suspension type, like coil spring conversions, have for a very long time, meant loss of identity.